Posts by Hold Me-Thrill Me

for many christians, the bible is viewed as the 100% error-free, perfect book straight from god, where every single word was carefully chosen by god for a reason.

but, usually, when you have a discussion on the topic, these christians will end up saying that only the original copies written directly from the hands of the prophets and apostles were error-free, and all manuscript copies since then are subject to copyist mistakes and other errors.. since zero original copies are in existence, how do we know the originals were error-free?

why should we think the originals should be error-free to begin with?

Hold Me-Thrill Me

The Bible is a collection of 66 books which were deemed worthy of being included in an accepted rule, a canon.

The so called Old Testament was for the most part written by Jews who worshiped the God of Abraham. The Pentateuch is religious history and law as believed by the Jews. The book of Judges is a compilation of old Jewish hero stories. Job is a very ancient story of why God allows suffering which was included in the OT.

The Psalms are religious songs. The prophets are religious prophetic literature. The historical books are just that, history of the Jewish kings.

The NT is a collection of writings from the first century. The Synaptic Gospels are accounts of Jesus' sayings and acts gathered from eyewitnesses and faithful disciples and should not be expected to perfectly coincide chronologically or in every detail. The Gospel of John is unique and should be considered the last Gospel of the Christian age being more representative of our time than the time it was written in. Acts is Luke's received historical account which is not necessarily accurate in every detail.

The NT Letters are just that letters. There is no precedent in the OT for letters to be considered something other than just letters. Paul's letters are for his time and according to what he thought was good nothing more. The other letters are the same. Revelation should be classed with the OT prophetic literature.

The Bible is literature, religious literature misused by those seeking religious authority. The Apostles who knew Jesus are long dead. Men who today, or yesterday, claim to take their place are liars and hooligans.

More damage has been done to God's name by hypocritical religious leaders than by atheists! In this respect the first century still lives.

Frank, an old man who lives near DBAH.

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

Hold Me-Thrill Me

Declaring forgiveness brings comfort to many grieving Christians. They are leaving things in God's hands.

Why that should be dissected as if it is something abnormal is in itself troubling.

Let people be who they are.

Frank

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If you were put in charge of the Governing Body tomorrow...

by FusionTheism in

if you were somehow magically put in-charge of the governing body tomorrow, by jesus, with the rules being, you could not teach anything that would be considered outright apostasy and you could not teach anything that would be considered to cause doubt about god's existence... (so as not to arouse suspicion).

what "new light" or "clarified understandings" would you introduce first?.

and which later on?.

Hold Me-Thrill Me

The Governing Body, all the Helpers, and all the Corporate Officers; would be removed!

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Annointed 144k only male?

by JerryTX in

i was told there was new light by a former jw.

i wanted to verify if it was true.

the new light claims the annointed class/144k is always male.

Hold Me-Thrill Me

There are no anointed in the Organization. But it is true the GB would prefer to have only males in that club, if they could.

Frank

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It came in today's mail

by Virgochik in

it came today, the dreaded envelope containing my personal copy of "return to jehovah" from my elderly, desperate mother.

it included a small note asking me to read it over and to let her know what i think.

she got it at her assembly.. firstly, i'm angry that she continues to push her religion on me, given that i stopped attending meetings over thirty years ago, and very offended that she assumes that i still want to be a witness, which is her choice of religion, not mine.

Hold Me-Thrill Me

Oubliette,

You are getting stuck in the religion. A good father or mother puts their children before themselves. There is nothing wrong with a good son or daughter putting their elderly parent before themselves. Especially so if that parent was a loving parent.

Many, many people who were never JWs put their elderly parents needs before their own. To bring an elderly father or mother home to live with oneself is a sacrifice which requires putting our parents before ourselves. Changing diapers, giving baths, listening to the same story a thousand times, and much more, is a sacrifice of love many selfless grown children provide for parents who are in need.

To simply be patient with an old woman's belief is by comparison a miniscule sacrifice for a grown adult.

Frank

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It came in today's mail

by Virgochik in

it came today, the dreaded envelope containing my personal copy of "return to jehovah" from my elderly, desperate mother.

it included a small note asking me to read it over and to let her know what i think.

she got it at her assembly.. firstly, i'm angry that she continues to push her religion on me, given that i stopped attending meetings over thirty years ago, and very offended that she assumes that i still want to be a witness, which is her choice of religion, not mine.

Hold Me-Thrill Me

Virgochik,

My advice:

Love your mother.

Forgive her for her mistakes and stop letting her religion be the focal point of your relationship with her.

Love your mother.

Be patient. Be kind. Allow her to express herself and do not take away her trust in the Watchtower. At this late date in her life she needs to believe.

Put her before yourself.

Frank

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Reasoning on the New "1900 Years" JW Theology (from David Splane)

by FusionTheism in

inspired by the three recent threads on david splane's new video declaring, among other things, that there was no faithful slave for 1900 years, and there may not have even been any genuine anointed ones during those years, i decided to make this post.. here are the three previous threads on this topic:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/337200001/david-splane-address-bethelites.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/323160001/new-david-splane-video-no-1900-year-faithful-slave.

Hold Me-Thrill Me

Br. Splane's talk was just plain stupid. The early Christians had the Bible. It was in the languages of the times. They did the preaching work.

He sounds like a man on the Titanic reaching for anything floating by.

The putrid smell of no substance reeks from his face.

Frank